Del Frisco’s sale of Sullivan’s Steakhouse to Romano’s Macaroni Grill includes Tucson

Sullivan’s, 1785 E River Rd., Tucson, AZ

Estimated $32 million in proceeds to pay down debt

IRVING, Texas — Del Frisco’s Restaurant Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: DFRG) has announced an agreement to sell its 14 Sullivan’s Steakhouse to Romano’s Macaroni Grill for gross proceeds of approximately $32 million. The net proceeds, which have not yet been finalized, will be used to reduce the Company’s outstanding indebtedness. The transaction is expected to close on or before September 30, 2018.

The divestiture of Sullivan’s Steakhouse represents the culmination of a strategic alternatives process for the brand that was first announced in March 2018. Sullivan’s Steakhouse currently comprises 14 locations across 12 states.

The only Sullivan’s in Arizona is at Tucson’s Joesler Village at 1785 E River Road, at the northwest corner of Campbell and River Road. C.J. Urban, manager of Tucson’s Sullivan’s told us the sale would not bring any noticeable changes for customers. The Sullivan’s brand will remain. “Improvements will be transparent to our customers such as IT upgrades, with no changes to staff or location.” Urban said.

Scott Smith, who had served as President of Sullivan’s Steakhouse since January 2017, will remain with Del Frisco’s and assume similar responsibilities for Del Frisco’s Double Eagle Steakhouse. Ray Risley, who previously served in that same position, has resigned to pursue other interests.

Norman Abdallah, CEO of Del Frisco’s Restaurant Group, Inc., said, “The sale of Sullivan’s Steakhouse enhances our financial condition while enabling us to sharpen our focus on opportunities with the highest potential for strong returns. These include executing our Emerging Brands integration and expanding our core concepts of Del Frisco’s Double Eagle Steakhouse, Barcelona Wine Bar and bartaco. We wish our colleagues at Sullivan’s Steakhouse all the best under their new ownership.”

Abdallah added, “We are pleased that Scott will remain with Del Frisco’s as our new Double Eagle President. Scott has not only served as the president or CEO of several upscale fine dining concepts but also has significant international experience that will add value as we consider licensing opportunities for our flagship brand outside of the U.S. We also wish Ray all the best as he embarks on the next chapter of his career.”

Nishant Machado, President and Chief Executive Officer, Romano’s Macaroni Grill and Senior Managing Director, Mackinac Partners, said, “The acquisition of Sullivan’s Steakhouse is precisely aligned with our strategic plan and vision. We are focused on brands that provide guests with true hospitality and a unique experience, which the Sullivan’s Steakhouse concept and team embodies. The brand complements our existing restaurant portfolio of 85 company-owned Macaroni Grill restaurants in 22 states, plus 23 franchise locations in the U.S. and seven other countries. Under our stewardship, we look forward to taking Sullivan’s Steakhouse to new heights.”

The Company intends to file revised financial statements with the Securities and Exchange Commission for the stand-alone Del Frisco’s Restaurant Group, Inc. within the next four days. Consequently, previously issued financial statements will be revised to reclassify the Sullivan’s Steakhouse operating results, including impairment loss, as discontinued operations.

Piper Jaffray acted as exclusive financial advisor to Del Frisco’s and its Board of Directors and Kirkland & Ellis LLP acted as legal advisor. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP acted as legal advisor to Mac Acquisition, LLC.


Oracle Road Medical Office sold to Private Investors from Michigan

TMCOne, 7510 N Oracle Road, Ste 100, Oro Valley

Oro Valley, Arizona – Pearl Peak, LLC of Whitefish, Michigan (Nicholas R. Chickering) closed on a triple net investment property at 7510 N Oracle Road, Ste 100, in Oro Valley, Arizona for $2.2 Million ($360 PSF). The 6,008-square-foot office condominium, built in 2009 of masonry construction, is located in Oracle Medical Plaza Condominiums and sold fully leased to TMCOne.

Tucson Medical Center One Medical Group is a group practice with 16 locations. Currently, Tucson Medical Center One Medical Group’s 59 physicians cover 14 specialty areas of medicine. The following specialties and service are available at this Oracle location: Internal Medicine (same-day access), Gynecology, Wound care, Sports medicine, and X-ray imaging.

Tom Nieman with Cushman & Wakefield | Picor represented the seller, CCSAM Revocable Trust of Tucson while Rick Kleiner also with Cushman & Wakefield | Picor represented the buyer.

For more information, Kleiner and Nieman can be reached at 520.748.7100.

To learn more, see RED Comp #6091.

Supervisors approve land sale to TEP and Redevelopment Plans for Foothills Mall

PIMA COUNTY – The Pima County Board of Supervisors Sept. 18 unanimously approved selling at auction a portion of a County-owned parcel located at Kino Parkway and 36th Street to TEP and rezoning of Foothills Mall.

The County plans to sell 5.16-acres of the property for a minimum of $1.435 million. The entire County-owned parcel spans 20 acres. The remaining 15 or so acres will be used for the park. TEP has agreed to also pay for 10 years maintenance costs for the park, which will be rolled into the purchase.

Tucson Electric Power is expected to purchase the property for a power substation. Proceeds from the sale will be used to construct an open space park. The substation will stabilize power provision in this growing area of the city. The proposed TEP substation would serve the surrounding area, which includes several neighborhoods and the growing Tucson Marketplace at The Bridges, a large retail complex that includes Wal-Mart, Costco, a multi-plex theater and dozens of retail shops and restaurants. It would also serve The UA Tech Park at The Bridges, a mixed-used development that will feature UA-associated research labs and biotech incubators, plus residential areas.

TEP has determined a new substation would provide greater capacity and allow for the decommission of up to three of the substations that currently serve the area. The substation also will improve power provision along the Ajo corridor between Kino Parkway and Country Club, which includes numerous Pima County buildings and departments, the Kino Sports Complex and Banner University Medical Center South Campus.

The new neighborhood park will be mostly open space and will feature ramadas and picnic tables, walking trails, security lights and fencing and “wildlife drinkers,” which will attract birds and other wild critters to the park.

Rendering Foothills Mall after Redevelopment

Also at the Sept. 18th meeting the Board of Supervisors The Foothills Mall Specific Plan received approval after the Planning Commission 9-0 vote recommended approval, with staff support.

Bourn Companies is the new owner and has been working with the private sector and County officials to reposition & re-brand the Foothills Mall. The model for repositioning is based on successful efforts involving older mall concepts throughout the country. The vision is to create an exciting mixed-use entertainment venue to include the upgraded AMC movie theater, other entertainment uses, outdoor gathering and community areas, opportunities for office/employment, multi-family uses and hospitality. The goal is to create a destination area for visitors, employment and residents in this part of the Pima County. The goal with this Specific Plan is to create shovel-ready opportunities for employment, entertainment, hospitality, residential and a great mix of uses.

As proposed, the Specific Plan offers flexibility in locating uses based on market demands. The property is uniquely situated adjacent to two major roadways and surrounded by commercial/multi-family uses. Single family residential uses are not located adjacent to the property. This is an infill project with buffers including a wash on the west with mature vegetation and the two major roads – Ina and La Cholla. As proposed, the project includes the ability to develop office, multi-family or hospitality at 10 stories or 120 feet. If that should occur, there are setbacks required along the west and east edges.

Berkadia Completes $128 Million Portfolio Sale – Reaches New Record

Pinnacle Heights Apts., 7990 E Snyder Rd., Tucson

TUCSON, Arizona – When Berkadia’s Senior Managing Director Art Wadlund and Director Clint Wadlund of the Tucson closed recently on Pinnacle Heights Apartments it was the conclusion of a five-property portfolio sale, worth just under $128 million, representing the highest bulk apartment sale for the region and setting a new record.  The Wadlunds represented San Diego-based MG Properties Group (Mark Gleiberman) in the portfolio sale that sold to two separate buyers with an aggregate of 1,102 units at $115,767 per unit.

Pinnacle Heights Apartments at 7990 East Snyder Road in Tucson sold for $47.15 million ($152,097 per unit) for the 310-unit complex to a group of investors from Salt Lake City, Utah, dba Pinnacle Apartments SPE, LLC. Built in 1995, the Class- A complex offers one- and three-bedroom floorplans. Renovated in 2006 by the seller, the two-story buildings include amenities such as a fitness center, spa, pool, and media center / movie theater.

In addition to Pinnacle Heights, there was a $43 million in sales and the $30 million financing of Hacienda del Rio and Colonia del Rio to the same Salt Lake City investment group. The two garden-style multifamily properties in Tucson. Managing Director David Bleiweiss and Senior Analyst Jack Hunsicker of the Berkadia Irvine, California office secured the loan through Freddie Mac.

Built in 1983 and located at 4545 and 4601 N. Via Entrada, Colonia and Hacienda del Rio sold for an aggregate of $101,415 per unit for the 424-units, offering one-, two- and three-bedroom floor plans with walk-in closets, pantries, open breakfast bars, garbage disposals and dishwashers, central air conditioning and heat and ceiling fans. Select units have washers and dryers as well as wood-burning fireplaces. Residents of both properties have access to two pools, two 24-hour laundry facilities, a play area, a dog park, a business center, barbeque grills and picnic tables, 24-hour emergency maintenance and a clubhouse with a kitchen, a pool table and flat-screen televisions.

HSL Properties of Tucson (Omar Mireles, president) also purchased the following two properties for an aggregate of $37.425 million: Casa Lindas Apartments at 699 West Magee Road in Oro Valley, a 144-unit complex, sold for $17.65 million ($122,569 per unit); and Springhill Apartments at 8030 E Lakeside Parkway in Tucson, a 224-unit complex, sold for $19.775 million ($88,281 per unit).

“We were pleased to be able to purchase the two northwest Tucson properties,” Omar Mireles said. “We had looked at them when the MG Properties and Gleiberman Investments had purchased them in a portfolio along with three other properties that they are also selling.”

All of the properties were at or around 95% occupancy at time of sale.

For additional information, Art Wadlund should be reached at 520.299.7200 and Clint Wadlund is at 520.615.1100.

To learn more, see RED Comps #6124, #6125, #6126, #5956 and #5957.

Rio Nuevo District Acquires Broadway Corridor, Sunshine Mile Office Building

2221 East Broadway Blvd., Tucson

TUCSON, ARIZONA – Rio Nuevo Multipurpose Facilities District bought a 12,686-square-foot office space from New Dekel, LLC (Amram Dahukey, managing member) at 2221 East Broadway Boulevard in Tucson for $700,000 ($55 PSF). The 62% vacant multi-tenant building was constructed in 1965 and is located on the Broadway widening area known as the Sunshine Mile district.

Rio Nuevo, the City of Tucson and the Regional Transportation Authority (RTA) have an agreement to offer incentives to private developers to create walkable, outdoor plazas with places to eat and shop areas along three public sections of Broadway between Euclid Avenue and Country Club Road.

Rio Nuevo has issued three Requests for Qualifications (RFQs) for professional design services and redevelopment plans for three properties along the Sunshine Mile, including this recently acquired property known as the “Donut Hole Block”.

Plans as to what will be done with these public / private spaces are fluid.

In 2017, New York-based, Project for Public Spaces (PPS) prepared a program and vision plans for two of the three walkable clusters projects along the Broadway Sunshine Mile: the Historic Bungalow Block and the Solot Block. These plans provided suggestions on how to transform the two clusters into vibrant and unique destinations. Included were landscape and urban plans, sketches and precedent images. PPS is to develop a similar placemaking vision for the third destination: the “Donut Hole Block” though stakeholder interviews, focus groups and other outreach techniques planned to obtain consensus and ideas for the detailed block placemaking block plans.

Placemaking inspires people to collectively reimagine and reinvent public spaces as the heart of every community. Strengthening the connection between people and the places they share, placemaking refers to a collaborative process by which the community can shape the public realm in order to maximize shared value. More than just promoting better urban design, placemaking facilitates creative patterns of use, paying particular attention to the physical, cultural, and social identities that define a place and support its ongoing evolution.

PPS is to collaborate with the architectural firms selected by Rio Nuevo to develop a block by block plan for the three selected destinations. The block by block plan will be developed with a level of detail necessary to obtain RTA approvals and property titles for the three areas.

PPS will be responsible for a conceptual design that ties into the vision plan and a neighborhood-wide strategy, the proposed clusters’ activation and programming, and pedestrian, bicycle and vehicular access to the walkable clusters, with parking strategies. PPS will produce detailed plans and 3D views for each of the blocks and collaborate with and support the architectural firms regarding their deliverables.

Dave Montijo, Damian Wilkinson and Ian Stuart of CBRE’s Tucson Office represented the seller, New Dekel. The buyer was self-represented with Rio Nuevo, secretary, Mark Irvin, CCIM, SIOR, of Mark Irvin Commercial Real Estate acted on behalf on behalf of buyer as a non-commissioned broker.

For additional information, Montijo should be reached at 520.323.5136, Wilkinson is at 520.323.5193 and Stuart can be contacted at 520.323.5180. Irvin can be reached at 520.620.1833.

Donut Hole Block aerial view

Vail Development Makes Headway; formerly the ‘Passages’ 400 Acre Site Sold at Auction

VAIL, Arizona – Chicago-based Rancho Del Lago developer, RMG Vail II LLC, has closed on approximately 400 acres of land from Pima Land, LLC of Minneapolis, MN.  Located at I-10 and US 83 in Vail, the purchase price of $475,000 or about $1,200 per acre was the auction price.

The property is comprised of two separate parcels. The larger parcel is 300 acres and has over a mile of direct frontage along west bound I-10.  To the north, another 97 acres, is accessed from Success Drive. Both parcels are zoned CI-1 in Pima County, allowing for a wide variety of commercial and industrial uses.

RMG was represented by Randy Emerson of GRE Partners, LLC of Tucson. The buyer intends to hold the land for future development. “They believe that the recent growth in the southeast submarket as evidenced by the new fulfillment center being developed for Amazon and the rapid residential and commercial growth in the Vail area are strong market indicators,” said Emerson. “Also, this property is 30 miles directly north of the Rosemont mine site and could provide support services should the Rosemont Mine obtain final approvals.”

There is an option under the Pima County zoning code to develop up to 50% of the site or 200 acres for residential use. The investors of RMG Vail II are looking to develop approximately 600 homes in addition to the commercial development.

The property formerly known as the “Passages” had been planned for a 6 million-square-feet of open-air mixed-use project by a developer from Minnesota, who was also a principal in the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota. The project was to include industrial, office, hotel and retail use along with 2,400 residential units. The prior owner did considerable planning and engineering work in 2004-2005 before the project came to a halt when the market tanked in 2006 and the developer defaulted on $7 million in loans.

The property was put out to auction a year ago, awaiting just the right buyer to come along. Emerson had brought two earlier buyers to bid on it, but those buyers didn’t close.

Sewer lines needed for development are planned to be connected from Rancho Del Lago, two miles away, at the Safeway and Walgreens that opened this year, located on the doorstep to growing Rancho Del Lago master community. Sewer construction will be pending approval of Pima County. The former developer had a sewer service agreement negotiated and in place with the County. We were told by the developer that the response from Steve Christy, Pima County District 4 Supervisor has been positive to the Vail project that has yet to be named.

Emerson will be project manager for the development and boots on the ground in Tucson. For more information Emerson should be reached at 520-429-4967.

To learn more, see RED Comp #6148.

Live / Work Building near UA Sells to Used Furniture Start-Up

103 N Park Ave., Tucson, AZ

TUCSON, ARIZONA — The live/work building at 103 North Park Avenue in Tucson sold for $625,000 ($124 PSF) to Loon Lake LLC of Tucson (Andrew Suter, manager). The building consists of studio and loft space for office, retail and/or living space.

Located between the University of Arizona and Tucson South Central Business District, 103 North Park Avenue is strategically located to take advantage of various amenities. The building is within walking distance of the University as well as 4th Avenue where many of the area s restaurants and entertainment are located.

Commercially zoned, the building has been redeveloped with new services and style while keeping the historic feel and look of the building.

The investment property sold with four tenants: Tucson Foodie, Claire Harlin, Pure Mettle Hair Salon and American Friends Service. The buyer plans to owner occupy the 650-square-feet of vacant space for a start-up business as a used furniture store, expected to open this fall.

Frank Arrotta of Tucson Realty & Trust represented the seller, 103 Park Holdings LLC (John Madocks, member). Chris Itule of Long Realty represented the buyer.

For more information, Arrotta should be reached at 520.465.5291 and Itule is at 520.548.4321.

To learn more see RED Comp #6037.

Hood Distribution Building on Toole in Tucson Sells for $1.5 Million

Hood Distribution 501 S Toole Ave., Tucson, AZ

TUCSON, Arizona – The Hood Distribution / McEwen Group building at 501 S Toole Avenue in Tucson sold for $1.468 million ($47 PSF) in a net lease investment sale. The 31,160-square-feet of buildings was built in 1972 and sits on a 3 acre lot. It was 100% occupied at time of sale to a single tenant.

Hood Industries, Inc. is a blend of wood manufacturing and distribution concerns that include two plywood and four lumber manufacturing plants, and fourteen specialty wood product distribution operations, located in thirteen states serving the northeast, southeast and southwest United States.

The Tucson facility opened its doors in the Tucson Market in 1985 as Southwest Hardwood. The facility was expanded in 1998 to its current 26,000 square foot of covered storage space. The Branch was acquired in 1998 by Hood Industries and is currently doing business as Hood Distribution / McEwen Group. With products shipping in via rail direct to the facility, the company serves its customers with the highest quality products at very competitive prices.

Rob Glaser with Cushman & Wakefield | Picor represented the seller, JBM Technologies of Sedona, Arizona (John Brent Mullen, manager).

The investor was a Tucson Trust, WAA GST Exempt Trust, and represented by Russ Shaw of Ventura Properties in Tucson.

For more information, Glaser can be reached at 520.546.2707 and Shaw should be contacted at 520.293.7441.

To learn more, see RED Comp #6044.

Meritage Homes Stays Busy at Gladden Farms in Marana

MARANA, ARIZONA — Meritage Homes purchased portions of blocks 40 and 41 at Gladden Farms Master Planned Community in Marana for $1.4 million ($60,000 per acre) from Crown West Realty (Dean Wingert, member) the developer.

The 23 acres sold with preliminary plat for 119 – 45’ x 120’ SFR lots.

Gladden Farms is a 1,350-acre master planned community in northern Marana, just west of Interstate 10 between Tangerine and Moore Roads. With four homebuilders active in the community, it is one of the most active communities in the Northwest submarket.

Meritage bought its first block of 89 platted lots at Gladden Farms in December 2015.

Will White and John Carroll of Land Advisors Organization in Tucson handled the transaction and have the marketing assignment on all of Gladden Farms.

“Gladden Farms continues to far exceed expectations. The pricing power that the community has experienced in the past 24 months is very impressive,” said White. “Meritage has done a very nice job of looking ahead and securing strong positions in Gladden Farms. It appears to be a good recipe for success.”

“We have several discussions ongoing with existing, and new, homebuilders on future blocks at Gladden Farms II. It looks like it will continue to stay very busy there for awhile,” White added. “There is no question that the north Marana market has heated up. We expect the market-share of this area to grow substantially over the coming years. Gladden Farms continues to be a great example of how to do that”

For more information, White and Carroll should be reached at 520.514.7454.

To learn more, see RED Comp #6130.

White Castle Bringing first Arizona restaurant to Scottsdale in 2019

White Castle Scottsdale rendering (Facebook photo)

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona –On Friday, officials with White Castle announced, on its Facebook page, news of the new restaurant, which will be at The Block at Pima Center, on the northwest corner of Via De Ventura and Loop 101 in Scottsdale. It is the first White Castle family-owned location west of the Mississippi River. The Block is located in near Scottsdale’s entertainment corridor.

“For years, cravers in Arizona have been asking us to feed their souls by bringing our delicious sliders to the state, and we’re happy to announce that we’re going to make this dream a reality,” Jamie Richardson, vice president at White Castle, said in a statement. “We are eager to become a member of the Scottsdale community.”

No specific date was given for the opening. White Castle, which bills itself as the country’s first fast-food burger chain, is expected to bring 50 to 75 jobs to the area.

“We are thrilled to add this iconic brand to our lineup at The Block,” said Daniel Lupien, managing partner of Palmer Development Group, in a news release.

“The fact that White Castle chose our site for their first corporate expansion west of St. Louis is a real testament to the dynamics of the area and specifically The Block at Pima Center. They certainly had many options to choose from.”

Founded in 1921 Wichita, Kansas, and based in in Columbus, Ohio, the chain is home to the Original Slider, which Time magazine recognized as the most influential burger of all time. And, of course, it’s the burger craved by Harold and Kumar in 2004’s classic “Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle.”



Axiscades Engineering Firm Announces Move to Tucson

Axiscades, an India-based engineering firm, is coming to Tucson and bringing 300 new jobs over the next five years with it, Sun Corridor officials announced today. The firm serves heavy equipment, mining and other industries. Munjay Singh, the firm’s CEO, called Caterpillar the ‘primary customer’ for Axiscades.

“We chose Tucson to be closer to Caterpillar, one of our key customers, as well as other clients in the mining industry,” said Mritunjay Singh, CEO and Executive Director of AXISCADES. “The entire region is strong not only in mining but also other key AXISCADES strategic growth areas such as aerospace, defense and healthcare.”

The company has leased office space at 177 North Church Avenue in downtown Tucson. AXISCADES joins other name brands such as Caterpillar, Hexagon Mining, Ernst & Young, Tucson Electric Power and Madden Media, among others that have expanded operations in Tucson’s core.

In 2016, Caterpillar Inc. decided to relocate its Surface, Mining & Technology Division to Downtown Tucson, along with up to 600 executive jobs over a five-year period, for an estimated economic impact of $600 million. Caterpillar’s 150,000-square-foot building is under construction west of downtown and is expected to be completed by March 2019.

AXISCADES Engineering Technologies Ltd (A listed entity on Indian Stock Exchange) provides Engineering Services to Aerospace, Heavy Engineering, Automotive and Industrial Products sectors.

The new Tucson operation will expand the company’s ability to provide engineering services to U.S.-based manufacturers, and in particular mining clients in Southern Arizona.

“This is a big win for Tucson and the entire region,” said Governor Doug Ducey. “Two years ago, we welcomed Caterpillar’s surface mining and technology division to Southern Arizona. Since then, Caterpillar’s significant investment has created a ripple effect throughout the community and the state. This is evidenced by the expansion of one of their key suppliers, AXISCADES. The AXISCADES expansion will bring new opportunity and jobs for our citizens.”

“This is another important benefit of Caterpillar’s coming to Tucson: one of its major vendors is moving here, too,” said Tucson Mayor Jonathan Rothschild. “Both Caterpillar and AXISCADES add depth and breadth–and well-paying jobs–to Tucson’s mining technology industry sector. We look forward to making the folks at AXISCADES welcome in Tucson.”

Headquartered in Bangalore, India, AXISCADES Engineering Technologies Ltd has 10 offices worldwide including North America, Europe and Asia.

Sun Corridor announced recently that a high percentage, 70% of Caterpillar’s employees, accepted to relocate to Tucson.

Key project partners include Arizona Commerce Authority, Pima County, City of Tucson, Tucson Electric Power and Sun Corridor Inc.

Last week, Texas Instruments Inc. announced plans to build a new $29 million facility, adding at least 35 high-paying jobs over time in Tucson.

Tucson also recently landed a new Amazon fulfillment center earlier this year, which will employ more than 1,500 full-time workers.

Former Dollar General Building Sells for Conversion to Engineering Firm Office in Tucson

Former Dollar General, 155 W Valencia Rd, Tucson, AZ (Courtesy Photo)

TUCSON, Arizona – Scorpion Technologies, LLC of Tucson (Carlos E Garcia, manager) purchased the 9,014-square-foot former Dollar General store at 155 W Valencia Road in Tucson on 1.26 acres.

The property commanded a sale price of $630,000 ($70 PSF).

Earl Hyman with Marcus & Millichap of Encino, California handled the transaction for the seller, a California Trust in Woodland Hills, Calif.

Hyman told us the property had been vacant for 60 days by Dollar General before selling.

The buyer, a local Engineering Firm intends to convert the retail building into office space.  Scorpion Technologies LLC was created by Scott D. Thomas and Carlos E. Garcia, two engineering professionals who have over 30 years of experience in the area of rapid product development and innovative systems engineering solutions. Services include PWB assembly, harnessing, breakout box assembly, electrical enclosure assembly, test equipment assembly and rack and stack.

The buyer’s agent was Cassandra Mosser of Marcus & Millichap in Phoenix.

For more information, Hyman can be reached at 818.212.2770, Mosser can be contacted at 602.687.6654 and Scorpion Technologies’ phone number is 520.419.1448 or visit

To learn more, see RED Comp #6004.