Exclusive Interview with LAO’s Will White – Discussion on Q1 2024
TUCSON, AZ (April 12, 2024) — Quarter 1 of 2024 is a wrap. As the Tucson housing market continues to pick up steam and build on the momentum from the second half of 2023, Real Estate Daily News thought it would be a great time for an update. In what has become a multi-year tradition, we went to the source of land and homebuilders in Tucson, Will White and Land Advisors Organization. We laid out a series of questions for Will to get his thoughts on where Tucson has been and where it might be headed. Will and John Carroll at Land Advisors-Tucson represent most of Tucson’s large-scale residential projects.
Highlights of the interview are below:
Time is flying, but we are done with Q1. What are you seeing and hearing out there?
It has completely lit up in the past 30 days. The “time out” taken into 2023 and the lack of “ready now” lot inventory has intersected. Things we couldn’t do 45 days ago, we can do now. That’s how Tucson works, good or bad. At this pace, most of the deal activity will be controlled in the next 60 days. It’s exciting. My favorite time! Q1 was strong. Good sales, good permits. This fuels the need to address the lot pipeline. The faster it goes, the quicker it needs to be replaced.
Permits are surging in Tucson. What is your take on this?
Correct. YTD permits are up 129% over 2023. Once the builder backlog started to move last summer, it was time to start building again. That is what you are seeing. Sales are strong with a handful of homebuilders consistently selling 50-60 homes per month. When you do this, you need to be even more aggressive in permitting more homes. In addition, we have noticed that the market is moving to a more “spec-heavy” program. Both factors combined are what is driving the permit surge, and I don’t see it stopping any time soon.
Builders took some time off when rates went up. How is this strong selling season affecting their attitude on land?
They did. You cannot do that in Tucson anymore. It’s a different ballgame, and the lot inventory just isn’t there. The freeze in summer 2022 was a big head fake, and once the rate buydowns started and the backlog started moving in 2023, it was game on. So now the lot demand is really strong, both by builders who have a bigger game plan and for those who realize that they are late to the party.
What does that landscape look like as we are in this post-pandemic era?
Good question. It 100% looks different. Our homebuilder market-shares are completely different, and the developer picture is as well. You will most likely have a Tucson metro market where four homebuilders do 75% of everything and a developer-heavy market that delivers about 80% of the lots out of larger projects. We have never had that situation in Tucson.
Where are the deals happening? Who is delivering lots?
In Tucson, the table is pretty set. Builders know who they will be buying the lots from. Sunbelt Holdings, Diamond Ventures, and Crown West have been the main suppliers with their larger projects. I think this will stay the same over the next 36 months. The main deal activity right now is in Marana and Vail. There is a lot coming up in the SW and I would keep an eye on that area.
We would assume supply is still tight. Do you have any new takes:
I’ll put some quick numbers to it. Builders have enough lots to last to the end of 2025 at the current absorptions. The Tucson market will permit 8,000 homes over the next 24 months, and builders will be able to purchase 3,500 lots to resupply. You can see the challenge as we get to the start of 2026. Community Count will be affected, the question is how severe and how long.
You are big on the struggle with infrastructure. Where are we with that?
After 2020 and the surge that followed, we figure about three years of business was pulled forward both in residential and commercial/industrial. This strained existing infrastructure, and the region didn’t get ahead of the next round. Now, we have major regional infrastructure components that need to be dealt with. Traffic, Interchanges, Floodplain/drainage, utility lines and capacity, entitlements, etc. We figure that there are about 20,000 lots that are now being held hostage to large infrastructure needs. The solutions will come, but how long that will take is a real concern.
Is Tucson destined to see many more apartments and multi-family alternatives become more prominent?
That will have to supplement the housing market. We can only get about 4,000 permits for SFR per year, and we have much more consumer demand. The challenge will be getting the multi-family projects constructed in the current market conditions. Also, a few groups swept up all the Multi-Family land, so they will dictate the pace of that. Tucson’s multi-family land is hard to come by, and companies like HSL Properties and Moderne Communities were extremely proactive in Tucson.
People would look around and say there is plenty of land in Tucson. What are we missing?
There is, but there just isn’t enough land in the condition that the homebuilders need it to be so they can build. Getting it into that condition will take time and dollars. They really prefer not to be in the land development game; they just want to build homes. To do that, they need full approval and all the infrastructure available to them. In a perfect world, it would be a 100% finished lot.
We are seeing a lot more industrial development on the outskirts of Tucson. While I assume this will be good for job creation, I can’t help but wonder if it is depleting our already limited supply of developable land.
Good topic. We are seeing a strong demand for our larger properties from a mix of industrial developers, mainly along I-10 and with access to good utilities. We are in the middle of a lot of discussions. What could happen, to your point, is we could see larger parcels slated for residential get transformed to employment/light industrial. Good for the region, but not great for the lot supply story.
LAO-Tucson has been orchestrating the lot game in Tucson for a very long time; is there anything you are changing with your approach?
No, I don’t think we will change much; the results have been solid. What we will be is constantly ahead of things for our clients and projects. I think you have a lot of ownership patience out there right now, and we want to push the market as best we can for the next 36 months. There are more records to be broken, and that excites us!
Give me three things to look out for in 2024:
- Permits stay strong to get out ahead of demand and beat expectations.
- Finished lot prices continue to run up.
- Demand and deals from other commercial/industrial users for residential land around Tucson.
Will White has led the Tucson office of Land Advisors Organization for over 22 years. Under his leadership, the Tucson office has been recognized as the leading land brokerage company in Tucson by volume for well over a decade. Will specializes in representing the area’s top master-planned and residential communities. His work with southern Arizona’s homebuilders is well documented, and the office has been responsible for Tucson’s most high-profile land transactions and assignments. Will represents Tucson projects with a lot inventory exceeding 20,000 future lots and is a known go-to for speaking engagements and writing contributions. Will’s long-term relationships with many key players in Tucson and Pima County enable him to represent public and private homebuilders, master developers, and large financial institutions effectively and efficiently. He is a member of the Southern Arizona Homebuilder’s Association, Big Brothers Big Sisters of Southern Arizona, Chair of the Advisory Board, and has worked with Urban Land Institute in their Mentor/leadership program. He received the inaugural TREND REPORT Best in Class Award as the Top Residential Land broker based on transaction volume, and he has consistently earned the CoStar Power Broker recognition in the Tucson Market. This achievement is based on transaction volume and dollar value. Will graduated from the University of Arizona with a bachelor’s degree in regional development and earned his Arizona Real Estate license in 1997. He can be reached at 520.514.7454 or wwhite@landadvisors.com.